{"id":779770,"date":"2026-03-11T13:56:17","date_gmt":"2026-03-11T12:56:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/numero.com\/?p=779770"},"modified":"2026-03-11T13:56:26","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T12:56:26","slug":"interview-kim-gordon-rock-fashion-icon-who-never-wanted-to-be-one","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/numero.com\/en\/culture-en\/music\/interview-kim-gordon-rock-fashion-icon-who-never-wanted-to-be-one\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with Kim Gordon, the rock icon who never wanted to be one"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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Singer Kim Gordon. \u00a9 Danielle Neu.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n

Nearly five years after her first solo album, No Home Record<\/em><\/strong> (2019), rock legend Kim Gordon<\/strong> released The Collective<\/strong> <\/em>(2024), a second, equally inspiring and experimental opus.<\/em> The record blends noise, trap, and electro and addresses the absurdity of a world subjected to technology.<\/p>\n\n

Later that year, in October, a deluxe edition of the hip-hop and electronic-infused album came out, and the singer delivered an electrifying performance at the Les Femmes s\u2019en m\u00ealent<\/strong> festival in Paris on October 23rd, 2024. The artist also made an appearance in Kristen Stewart<\/strong><\/a>\u2019s directorial debut, The Chronology of Water<\/em><\/strong>, in 2025.<\/p>\n\n

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Kim Gordon in 2010. \u00a9 Robert Mitra\/WWD\/Penske Media via Getty Images.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n

The rock icon is making a comeback<\/h2>\n\n

She is already back with a new single, Not Today <\/strong><\/em>(2026), and a new album, Play Me<\/em><\/strong>, scheduled for March 13th, 2026. A perfect moment to revisit our encounter with an artist who, even though she rejects the label of icon, checks every box.<\/p>\n\n

Kim Gordon, 72, is one of those stars whose aura never fades… The former Sonic Youth<\/strong> bassist is now winning over a whole new generation of music lovers on TikTok thanks to her track Bye Bye<\/strong><\/em> (2024). On that track, she recites a list of items, shopping and suitcase essentials, with a blas\u00e9, sensual tone. The objects chosen are both unexpected and evocative (black dress, vibrator, Eckhaus Latta<\/strong>, sleeping pills), while the dissonant beats perfectly echo the contradictions of our modern societies. Punk once, punk forever\u2026<\/p>\n\n

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Kim Gordon in New York in 1990. \u00a9 Laura Levine\/Corbis via Getty Images.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n

Interview with singer Kim Gordon<\/h2>\n\n

Num\u00e9ro<\/em>: Why did you choose to title your latest album The Collective<\/em>, which is also the name of one of your paintings?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

Kim Gordon<\/strong>: The themes of the album and the painting are largely connected. On the album cover, you see hands holding a phone. And on the canvas I painted, there are holes shaped like cell phones. The album and the lyrics are, in a way, a reflection of what\u2019s happening in the world, of the madness around us. About what people are feeling and what I\u2019m feeling too. I\u2019m addicted to my phone, but on Instagram, there are so many images I don\u2019t even want to see when I scroll. We don\u2019t know where the truth lies anymore\u2026 Technology has become our religion. But it doesn\u2019t necessarily mean progress.<\/p>\n\n

Your father was a sociology professor. Do you think that influenced your interest in social commentary?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

Yes, I think so. I\u2019ve always been drawn to social commentary. And I spend a lot of time observing what’s around me. When I\u2019m driving in Los Angeles, where I live now, I look at the billboards and the people on the streets. And that inspires me\u2026 Just like Airbnb ads inspired my track of the same name.<\/p>\n\n

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Kim Gordon at the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Uniondale, New York, on February 22nd, 1991. Photo by Al Pereira\/Michael Ochs Archives\/Getty Images.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n

\u201cI never learned how to play an instrument<\/em>.\u201d \u2014 Kim Gordon<\/h2><\/h2>\n\n

One of the songs on your new album is called I\u2019m a Man<\/em>. What is it about?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

It\u2019s a response to some of the complaints from the American far right about how feminism supposedly ruined men. It also refers to the history of masculinity in America. It\u2019s actually quite sociological. In the 1950s and 1960s, men were expected to be protectors and providers. All of that changed in the decades that followed, and men lost that sense of purpose. So they became consumers, like women, targeted by marketing. There are also references to Ronald Reagan and his wife, Nancy Reagan, in the song.<\/p>\n\n

You published a book called Girl in a Band<\/em>. How is creating solo different from working in a band?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

It really depends on the personalities of the musicians I’m working with. With Sonic Youth<\/strong>, each one of us brought something different to the music. We created it together, through our different sensibilities. That was a big part of it. With my project Body\/Head with guitarist Bill Nace, we create songs through a lot of improvisation. We know each other so well that it works. And then, on my new solo album, I worked with producer Justin Raisen (Charli xcx<\/strong><\/a>), and he\u2019s the reason the record is beat-driven. We would start with hip-hop-like rhythms, then I would bring in guitars and vocals. I don\u2019t want to work the same way I did for so long with Sonic Youth. It does no longer interest me.<\/p>\n\n

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Kim Gordon. \u00a9 Danielle Neu.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n

Some of your songs are featured in Catherine Breillat\u2019s 2023 film Last Summer<\/em>\u2026<\/strong><\/p><\/p>\n\n

Yes, you can hear Dirty Boots<\/em> by Sonic Youth<\/strong> and Tripping<\/em> by Body\/Head<\/strong>. The music supervisor reached out to me, and I sent over some new Body\/Head tracks. Catherine Breillat really liked one of them and ended up using it twice in the film. It was great meeting her in person and trying to have a conversation. My French is very limited, even though I study it as a hobby, and she doesn’t really speak English, so communicating wasn\u2019t always easy (laughs).<\/p>\n\n

I read that you see yourself more as a visual artist than a musician. And yet, you have influenced so many people in music\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

Like a lot of people, I fell into post-punk and punk music without knowing much about it at first. I never learned how to play an instrument. Ever since I was little, I just wanted to be a visual artist. That\u2019s why I moved from California, where I grew up, to New York in the early 1980s. So I feel like I approach music more as a visual artist. I\u2019m not a conventional musician, and I have no interest in becoming one or in making conventional music. I like things that break the mold. I admire people who\u2019ve studied music. But a big part of my guitar vocabulary comes from not knowing how to read music. I think in terms other than melody and chords. I\u2019m more interested in contrast, dissonance, and noise.<\/p>\n\n

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Kim Gordon in Madison Square Garden in 1991. \u00a9 Ebet Roberts\/Redferns via Getty Images.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n

\u201cAs you get older, you look at what\u2019s hanging in your closet and think: \u2018Why do I have this?<\/em>\u2019\u201d \u2014 Kim Gordon<\/h2><\/h2>\n\n

You\u2019ve found success both in the worlds of art and music. If you had to pick one medium only, which one would it be?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

That\u2019s a tough question. I think I\u2019d always find a way to combine both somehow.<\/p>\n\n

In the 1980s, you worked as an assistant in a Larry Gagosian gallery\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

Yes, I worked in a private gallery he ran with art dealer Annina Nosei. I already knew him when I was in Los Angeles, when he was selling posters. When I moved to New York, he said, \u201cIf you want a job as a receptionist, I could make it work<\/em>.\u201d But I felt like I was too close to the business side of art, when what I always wanted was to be an artist. It was pulling me away from the art world as an artist, so I rapidly quit.<\/p>\n\n

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Kim Gordon, Thurston Moore, Kim Gordon, Lee Ranaldo, Steve Shelley from Sonic Youth at the Pukkelpop Festival in Hasselt, Belgium on August 25th, 1991. \u00a9 Gie Knaeps\/Getty Images.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n

\u201cThe idea of being perceived as a rock or a feminist icon is making me a little skeptical<\/em>.\u201d \u2014 Kim Gordon<\/h2><\/h2>\n\n

In August 2023, you held a yard sale in Los Angeles where you sold part of your wardrobe, and a lot of people lined up to buy your clothes\u2026 The money went to a support center for homeless women in L.A.<\/strong><\/p><\/p>\n\n

I have way too many clothes. You know, as you get older, you look at what\u2019s hanging in your closet and think: \u201cWhy do I even have this?<\/em>\u201d I had already cleared out my closets a bit when I moved from Northampton, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles. I gave a lot of clothes to my nieces, my daughter, and other people. It\u2019s funny because I see them wearing those pieces all the time. And it feels good to know that some of these clothes have a second life. I think I\u2019ll do another clear-out next year. It feels good to let go of some things.<\/p>\n\n

Your daughter, Coco Gordon-Moore, didn\u2019t give you a hard time about selling off parts of your wardrobe\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

She loves my shoes, but we\u2019re not the same size. Actually, in high school, she wore a lot of X-girl clothes (the fashion label founded by Kim Gordon in the 1990s, ed.), including some pants we used to find too tight and super nerdy, borderline lame. But she was in high school, so it was cool.<\/p>\n\n

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Kim Gordon in 1991. \u00a9 Mick Hutson\/Redferns via Getty Images.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n

You modeled for different fashion campaigns, including Saint Laurent<\/a> or Marc Jacobs, and attended many runway shows. Are you still passionate about clothing?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

I\u2019m always curious about what\u2019s going on. I liked the latest Prada<\/strong> and Celine<\/strong> collections. I love looking at the ads (laughs). It\u2019s always interesting. But I can\u2019t afford that stuff\u2026 I like clothes. For me, it\u2019s more of a visual thing. I wouldn\u2019t say I\u2019m totally into fashion. I think clothes should be more about style than price.<\/p>\n\n

You are a music and fashion icon. Yet, you released a book published by Rizzoli titled No Icon<\/em>\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

The idea of being perceived as a rock or a feminist icon is making me a little skeptical. I\u2019m wary of those labels, and I don\u2019t like how feminism is now used as branding or as a way to sell things. I\u2019d rather not be too self-aware about my image.<\/p>\n\n

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Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth in New York on September 8th, 1994. \u00a9 John Aquino\/WWD\/Penske Media via Getty Images.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n

You co-produced Pretty on the Inside<\/em>, the debut album by Courtney Love\u2019s band Hole, released in 1991. But I believe you are not particularly fond of her anymore\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

She\u2019s very charismatic. She wrote some good songs, and liked to say provocative things. But I don\u2019t really want to talk about her. I think she has mental health issues. I haven\u2019t been on good terms with her since she punched Kathleen Hanna from Bikini Kill in the face at Lollapalooza, while we were standing next to the stage.<\/p>\n\n

Adam Horovitz from the Beastie Boys once said about you: \u201cWherever Kim ends up, she is the coolest person in the room. But I know her, and I know she\u2019d rather be at home grilling hot dogs<\/em>.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

I get what he means (laughs). He is very insightful. I think there\u2019s a bit of him in that too. He\u2019s like that as well. Maybe that\u2019s why he said it\u2026<\/p>\n\n

The Collective (Deluxe Edition) (2024) by Kim Gordon, available now. Play Me by Kim Gordon, coming out on March 13th, 2026.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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