{"id":759658,"date":"2025-11-18T17:29:38","date_gmt":"2025-11-18T16:29:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/numero.com\/?p=759658"},"modified":"2025-11-18T17:33:00","modified_gmt":"2025-11-18T16:33:00","slug":"questioning-prejudices-and-stereotypes-alice-diops-ongoing-fight","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/numero.com\/en\/culture-en\/movies\/questioning-prejudices-and-stereotypes-alice-diops-ongoing-fight\/","title":{"rendered":"Questioning prejudices and stereotypes: Alice Diop&#8217;s ongoing fight"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a384c6c4f592&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a384c6c4f592\" class=\"wp-block-image size-full wp-lightbox-container\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"667\" height=\"1000\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/interview-de-la-realisatrice-alice-diop-festival-d-automne-paris-miu-miu-womens-tale1.jpg\" alt=\"Portrait of film director Alice Diop\" class=\"wp-image-759255\"\/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Filmmaker Alice Diop wearing Miu Miu.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><h2 data-start=\"282\" data-end=\"346\">Alice Diop\u2019s breakthrough with the film <em data-start=\"324\" data-end=\"336\">Saint Omer<\/em> in 2022<\/h2><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It took the arrival of <em><strong>Saint Omer<\/strong><\/em>, her <strong>first fictional feature film<\/strong>, for the world to at last understand how much <strong>Alice Diop\u2019s viewpoint is not only unique but crucial<\/strong> for our times. In 2022, when it won two prizes at the <a href=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/en\/culture-en\/movies\/venice-film-festival-2025-what-to-expect-from-the-82nd-edition\/\"><strong>Venice Film<\/strong> Festival<\/a>, this harrowing movie, inspired by the trial of Fabienne Kabou, a Franco-Senegalese mother accused of infanticide, opened a wider audience\u2019s eyes to Diop\u2019s very particular way of weighing words and the unsaid so as to point up the silences of history.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\">Cowritten by the author Marie Ndiaye and by Amrita David, Alice Diop\u2019s film editor, <em>Saint Omer<\/em> favours long fixed shots composed like paintings. Those unfamiliar with the filmmaker\u2019s <strong>rich documentary back catalogue<\/strong> suddenly discovered her stylistic approach, at once quiet and implacable, which makes the most of the fecund interstices between what is said and what isn\u2019t, between images and words.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">A calm, ruthless writing style<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\">It can be seen at work in all her films, such as <strong><em>Vers la tendresse<\/em><\/strong>, which explored how four men from a French housing estate view women, and Les S\u00e9n\u00e9galaises et la S\u00e9n\u00e9gauloise, in which <strong>Alice<\/strong>\u00a0<strong>Diop<\/strong>, who grew up in France, filmed the women in her family who stayed in Dakar.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\">This year she\u2019s taking part in <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/en\/non-classifiee\/how-does-the-miu-miu-show-explore-femininity\/\">Miu Miu<\/a> <em>Women\u2019s Tales<\/em><\/strong>, a programme launched in 2011 that celebrates female filmmakers by offering them <em>carte blanche<\/em> to make a short movie. When shown at the <strong>2025 Venice Film Festival<\/strong>, Diop\u2019s<strong><em> Fragments for Venus<\/em><\/strong> deeply moved the audience. In this freeform cinematographic essay, inspired by <strong>Robin Coste Lewis<\/strong>\u2019s poem <em><strong>Voyage of the Sable<\/strong> <strong>Venus<\/strong><\/em>, Diop went well beyond a simple response to a short-movie commission, using the format both to synthesize and push further the questions raised by her work as a filmmaker. Interview.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a384c6c4fa9f&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a384c6c4fa9f\" class=\"wp-block-image size-full wp-lightbox-container\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1000\" height=\"667\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/interview-de-la-realisatrice-alice-diop-festival-d-automne-miu-miu-womens-tales5.jpg\" alt=\"Actress Kayije Kagame in the short film Fragments for Venus by Alice Diop (2025). Miu Miu Women's Tales. \u00a9 Brigitte Lacombe.\" class=\"wp-image-759327\"\/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Actress Kayije Kagame in the short film <em>Fragments for Venu<\/em>s by Alice Diop (2025). Miu Miu Women&#8217;s Tales. \u00a9 Brigitte Lacombe.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Interview with film director Alice Diop<\/h2>\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Num\u00e9ro: How did you get involved with Miu Miu Women\u2019s Tales?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Alice Diop:<\/strong> Verde Visconti [<em>cofounder, alongside Miuccia Prada, of the Miu Miu Women\u2019s Tales Committee, ed<\/em>.] asked me to take part three years ago. I was very touched, because this collection of films brings together directors who inspire me, among them <strong>Lucrecia Martel<\/strong>, <strong>Agn\u00e8s Varda<\/strong>, and <strong>Alice Rohrwacher<\/strong>. Each of them managed to find her own language within the limits of the exercise. So I felt very honoured to be invited, but had never worked to commission because, to make a film, I need to feel that there\u2019s an imperious necessity to do so, be it a short or a feature film, a fictional story or a documentary \u2013 I make no difference between the formats.<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\">At the beginning, I wasn\u2019t feeling that need, but during a residency in the US I discovered <strong>African-American authors<\/strong> who hadn\u2019t yet been translated into French, in particular a collection of poems by <strong>Robin Coste Lewis<\/strong>, <em>Voyage of the Sable Venus<\/em>. For me, it was a total detonation, a revelation with respect to all the questions that have been nagging me as a filmmaker and as a woman, articulated with a poetic and political power I had never encountered until now. I was so struck by this text that I\u2019ve been working on it for the past two years, including readings at the Festival d\u2019automne, and in November I\u2019m going to push that further with a performance. When Verde Visconti got back in touch last year, while I was living in the US and teaching at Harvard, I started thinking about how to adapt the collection\u2019s title poem into stage form, and that\u2019s when I saw the need to do it as a film.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">An essential residence in the United States<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><article class=\"text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none [--shadow-height:45px] has-data-writing-block:pointer-events-none has-data-writing-block:-mt-(--shadow-height) has-data-writing-block:pt-(--shadow-height) [&amp;:has([data-writing-block])&gt;*]:pointer-events-auto [content-visibility:auto] supports-[content-visibility:auto]:[contain-intrinsic-size:auto_100lvh] scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]\" dir=\"auto\" style=\"caret-color: #000000; color: #000000; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;\" tabindex=\"-1\" data-turn-id=\"request-WEB:377ee10e-421a-44a6-a57b-fc061137a109-4\" data-testid=\"conversation-turn-8\" data-scroll-anchor=\"true\" data-turn=\"assistant\">&#13;\n<div class=\"text-base my-auto mx-auto pb-10 [--thread-content-margin:--spacing(4)] thread-sm:[--thread-content-margin:--spacing(6)] thread-lg:[--thread-content-margin:--spacing(16)] px-(--thread-content-margin)\">&#13;\n<div class=\"[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] thread-lg:[--thread-content-max-width:48rem] mx-auto max-w-(--thread-content-max-width) flex-1 group\/turn-messages focus-visible:outline-hidden relative flex w-full min-w-0 flex-col agent-turn\" tabindex=\"-1\">&#13;\n<div class=\"flex max-w-full flex-col grow\">&#13;\n<div class=\"min-h-8 text-message relative flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 text-start break-words whitespace-normal [.text-message+&amp;]:mt-1\" dir=\"auto\" data-message-author-role=\"assistant\" data-message-id=\"f022e230-d722-4a1d-99ca-7929429ead64\" data-message-model-slug=\"gpt-4o\">&#13;\n<div class=\"flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden first:pt-[1px]\">&#13;\n<div class=\"markdown prose dark:prose-invert w-full break-words light markdown-new-styling\">&#13;\n<p data-start=\"0\" data-end=\"34\" data-is-last-node=\"\" data-is-only-node=\"\"><strong>What did this poem inspire in you?<\/strong><\/p>&#13;\n&#13;\n<\/div>&#13;\n<\/div>&#13;\n<\/div>&#13;\n<\/div>&#13;\n<\/div>&#13;\n<\/div>&#13;\n<\/article><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\">I was so struck by this text that I\u2019ve been working on it for the past two years, including readings at the<strong> Festival d\u2019automne<\/strong>, and in November I\u2019m going to push that further with a performance. When <strong>Verde Visconti<\/strong> got back in touch last year, while I was living in the US and teaching at Harvard, I started thinking about how to adapt the collection\u2019s title poem into stage form, and that\u2019s when I saw the need to do it as a film.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a384c6c4ff25&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a384c6c4ff25\" class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized wp-lightbox-container\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1000\" height=\"750\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/interview-de-la-realisatrice-alice-diop-festival-d-automne-miu-miu-womens-tales2-1.jpg\" alt=\"Alice Diop on the set of her short film Fragments for Venus (2025). Miu Miu Women's Tales. \u00a9 Brigitte Lacombe.\" class=\"wp-image-759329\" style=\"width:840px;height:auto\"\/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Alice Diop on the set of her short film <em>Fragments for Venu<\/em>s (2025). Miu Miu Women&#8217;s Tales. \u00a9 Brigitte Lacombe.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><h2>A performance and a short film inspired by the poem <em>Voyage of the Sable Venus<\/em><\/h2><\/h2>\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>The poem Voyage of the Sable <\/strong><strong>Venus lists artworks that feature <\/strong><strong>one or more Black women. With <\/strong><strong>no commentary, it highlights all <\/strong><strong>the racist violence present in the <\/strong><strong>Western gaze.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">This poem was the result of a long research project during which Lewis compiled all the titles and descriptions of artworks that mention the presence of a Black woman, from antiquity to today. Out of that was born this <strong>experimental, epic form<\/strong> that reveals the unconscious basis on which the entire fabrication of the Western gaze is built: the effacement, the fetishization, or the objectivization of the Black body. For me, it was a revelation that really made me think about how my own gaze had been constructed up till that point.<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\"><em>Fragments for Venus<\/em> is an essay that attempts to articulate, through cinema, this searing revelation, one that in reality is so obvious, but which I hadn\u2019t grasped till then. What\u2019s more, I shot it last year just as Trump\u2019s new presidency began in the US, a real political tragedy. The fact of working on these ideas at precisely that moment was<strong> both a refuge and a form of resistance<\/strong> \u2013 I was reassured to know that there were still spaces where these questions could be addressed.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a384c6c502d6&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a384c6c502d6\" class=\"wp-block-image size-large wp-lightbox-container\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"555\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/interview-de-la-realisatrice-alice-diop-film-saint-omer-1024x555.png\" alt=\"Actress Kayije Kagame in the film Saint Omer (2022) by Alice Diop.\" class=\"wp-image-759268\"\/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Actress Kayije Kagame in the film <em>Saint Omer<\/em> (2022) by Alice Diop. \u00a9 SRAB FILMS ARTE FRANCE CIN\u00c9MA 2022.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\"><h3 class=\"p1\" style=\"text-align: center;\">&#8220;<em>My film,<\/em> Fragments for Venus<em>,\u00a0reveals the unconscious basis on which the entire fabrication of the Western gaze is built: the effacement, the fetishization, or the objectivization of the Black body<\/em>.&#8221;\u00a0&#8211; Alice Diop.<\/h3><\/h3>\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong><em>Fragments for Venus<\/em> features two actors. We first see Kayije Kagame, who played the main character in Saint Omer, looking at pictures in the Louvre, while your voiceover recites the titles of works listed in Lewis\u2019s poem. Then, we see S\u00e9phora Pondi of the Com\u00e9die-Fran\u00e7aise in the busy streets of Bedford-Stuyvesant, in Brooklyn. What made you choose these two women?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">The casting for this film absolutely had to include both of them. Their presence is almost a <strong>political declaration<\/strong>. These two women, these two bodies, these two sensibilities, these two presences question the norm of how we\u2019ve been taught to look at a woman as beautiful and desirable.<\/p>\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The streets of Bed-Stuy in New York, a fertile ground for inspiration<\/h3>\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Replying to your gaze as a filmmaker, when looking at these two women and at others in the streets of New York, are their gazes toward the viewer, but also Pondi\u2019s gaze when looking at other Black women in Brooklyn. Is the circulation of the gaze between all these protagonists also a political issue? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Totally. The film was also born from what I\u2019ve experienced going to the US over the past ten years to promote my work. Walking in the streets of Bed-Stuy, I feel I\u2019m not the same woman as when I go out in Paris. I have the impression that my relationship to my body, to space, to others, and to myself is completely modified. There\u2019s something very specific about Black America, and particularly Bed-Stuy.<\/p>\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Transforming an objectifying Western gaze<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>What do you feel in these New York streets?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\">It\u2019s the <strong>feeling of being validated, recognized, looked at, and revealed in the gaze of other women<\/strong> who attest that you exist. They look at me as much as I look at them. There\u2019s something very political in this way of looking at women who are looked at by other Black women, and to think that they won\u2019t disappear from the record because they\u2019ll be transformed into a sculpture by <strong>Simone Leigh<\/strong>, a photo by <a href=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/en\/art-design\/visual-activist-zanele-muholi-dive-into-their-first-retrospective-in-paris-2\/\"><strong>Zanele Muholi<\/strong><\/a>, or a painting by <strong>Jennifer Packer<\/strong> \u2013 Black women artists who I celebrate in a sort of mood board at the end of the film.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\"><em>Fragments for Venus<\/em> opens with the <strong>objectifying, predatory<\/strong> <strong>Western gaze<\/strong>, and finishes with these women seen in the street, who could acquire a form of immortality by being celebrated in art by other Black women. For me, it\u2019s a form of consolation, of healing, and one of the greatest promises for the future.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a384c6c5074e&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a384c6c5074e\" class=\"wp-block-image size-full wp-lightbox-container\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"667\" height=\"1000\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/interview-de-la-realisatrice-alice-diop-festival-d-automne-paris-miu-miu-womens-tale2.jpg\" alt=\"Portrait of film director Alice Diop\" class=\"wp-image-759304\"\/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Filmmaker Alice Diop wearing Miu Miu.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Transcending resentment<\/h2>\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>As a filmmaker, did you try to construct a healing gaze within the visual tradition forged by the Western gaze? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">I think that\u2019s precisely why I became a filmmaker, even if it took time for me to understand that and to theorize it. Right from the start, I wanted to show a representation of working-class and immigrant neighbourhoods that was different to what we\u2019re used to seeing. I wanted to offer the centre to these Black women who are only looked at on the margins. That\u2019s why this film, for me, condenses and synthesizes all the questions that have been troubling me ever since the moment when the imperious need to invent new images came upon me.<\/p>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\">It\u2019s a <strong>very gentle, serene film<\/strong>, which was a joy to shoot, and which also records the state I\u2019m currently in thanks to meeting these other women. It\u2019s about <strong>going beyond resentment<\/strong> and anger, all that poison born from the violence of history, in order simply to declare our presence. It\u2019s just about affirming it, without needing to demand anything, or to shout and scream. 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Miu Miu Women&#8217;s Tales. \u00a9 Brigitte Lacombe.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Alice Diop&#8217;s first production at the Festival d&#8217;automne<\/h2>\n\n\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>What form will your performance take at the Festival d\u2019automne?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong>Nicholas Elliott<\/strong>, who introduced me to Robin\u2019s text, will direct the piece with me. We\u2019re going to construct a performance around the epilogue in her collection of poems, in which she recounts the very intellectual and theoretic research she undertook in museums in order to construct a <strong>metaphoric poetic epic<\/strong>. She imagines herself at the prow of a boat, steered by a Black Venus, that travels through time in order to gather together, like a sort of Noah\u2019s Ark, all the dismembered bodies of Black women to be found in museums around the world. For the performance, I\u2019m going to find myself for the first and probably last time centre stage in the <strong>theatre<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\"><h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">\u201c<em>I wanted to offer the centre to these Black women, who are only looked at on the margins<\/em>.\u201d &#8211; Alice Diop.<\/h3><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\">I need to recite this text and to address it to others, because it is like a form of healing. For me, something physical happens each time I read or hear it \u2013 I feel <strong>pain and anguish being cleaned and expunged<\/strong>, which is the opposite of a theoretical approach, of a discourse. There\u2019s something, in the present moment, that\u2019s healed. It\u2019s wonderful that a text can do that. Indeed the initial reactions of Black women who saw Fragments for Venus were deeply moving for me. I hope that all those who see the film will also feel this <strong>healing<\/strong> <strong>effect<\/strong>.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\"><em>Fragments for Venus<\/em> can be seen on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.miumiu.com\/ww\/en.html\">Miu Miu Women&#8217;s Tales<\/a>.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><p class=\"p1\"><em>Le voyage de la V\u00e9nus noire <\/em>by Alice Diop will be staged for the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.festival-automne.com\/en\">Festival d&#8217;automne<\/a> from November 19th to 30th, 2025, at MC93 \u2013 Maison de la culture de Seine-Saint-Denis.<\/p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Styling: Azza Yousif. Hair and makeup: Namani. 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