{"id":540105,"date":"2020-09-09T00:00:00","date_gmt":"1970-01-01T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/numero.com\/culture\/tilda-swinton-eternal-muse-2\/"},"modified":"2020-09-09T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"1970-01-01T00:00:00","slug":"tilda-swinton-eternal-muse-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/numero.com\/en\/culture\/tilda-swinton-eternal-muse-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Tilda Swinton, eternal muse"},"content":{"rendered":"\n            <div class=\"wp-block-cb-carousel cb-single-slide\" data-slick=\"{&quot;slidesToShow&quot;:1,&quot;slidesToScroll&quot;:1,&quot;speed&quot;:300,&quot;arrows&quot;:true,&quot;dots&quot;:false,&quot;autoplay&quot;:false,&quot;autoplaySpeed&quot;:3000,&quot;infinite&quot;:true,&quot;responsive&quot;:[{&quot;breakpoint&quot;:769,&quot;settings&quot;:{&quot;slidesToShow&quot;:1,&quot;slidesToScroll&quot;:1}}]}\">\n            \n                    <div class=\"wp-block-cb-slide\">\n                    \n                    <figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a21220b32880&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a21220b32880\" class=\"wp-block-image size-medium-large wp-lightbox-container\">\n                    <img decoding=\"async\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/tilda-2swinton-numero-mag-interview.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-0\" \/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button>\n                    \n                    <\/figure>\n                    \n                    <\/div>\n                    <\/div>\n            <p><b>Let&#8217;s imagine, for a moment, that God has made his comeback and is once again walking among us.<\/b>&nbsp;Since Jesus\u2019s body has already gone through the horrors of recycling, God has to choose another form of incarnation. In a mischievous mood, he might&nbsp;pick Alanis Morissette, as&nbsp;Kevin Smith did in his 1999 comedy&nbsp;<i>Dogma<\/i>. Or, looking to appear trendy,&nbsp;a T.V. actor like Gerald \u201cSlink\u201d Johnson from the series&nbsp;<i>Black Jesus<\/i>. But God is by nature unpredictable,&nbsp;and in the end opts for a singular-looking redhead, the daughter of a Scottish major general, who likes nothing more than sleeping in a glass box (a MoMA happening of 2013) or dressing up as a witch (<i>The Chronicles of Narnia<\/i>, 2005) or a vampire (<i>Only Lovers Left Alive<\/i>, 2013). God works in mysterious ways.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><b>Tilda Swinton, for that\u2019s who we\u2019re talking about, wears her status as the Chosen One rather well.<\/b>&nbsp;It certainly brings her a few advantages. Actress,&nbsp;artist, muse, brand ambassador, she\u2019s constantly f\u00eated. Omnipresent on screens and in museums, her gift&nbsp;for ubiquity backs up the hypothesis of her divine status, she who never tires. Cool and elegant in every situation, we saw with our own eyes that in a packed room, in the middle of summer without air conditioning, beneath spotlights that could liquefy icebergs, Swinton didn\u2019t sweat a drop. As for&nbsp;artificial enhancement, she only uses it to make herself ugly (like for her role as a domineering old bag in the 2013 movie&nbsp;<i>Snowpiercer<\/i>). If we weren\u2019t fearful of being blasphemous, we\u2019d compare her to those slippery fish that just step between the fingers, for Swinton is formidably&nbsp;elusive. But then that\u2019s quite normal for a deity. Forever on the move, gliding between a film here and a performance there, she surfs the zeitgeist with serenity, lucidity and goodwill.&nbsp;<i>Num\u00e9ro<\/i>&nbsp;met up with her.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><b>Num\u00e9ro: Where does this particular proximity with artists come from?<\/b><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><b>Tilda Swinton:<\/b>&nbsp;It\u2019s a tribal link. As soon as I entered&nbsp;that world it became mine. And yet I was brought up in an environment where art didn\u2019t have a connection&nbsp;with creation, but with possession. You didn\u2019t create, you owned the works. The first time I met an artist I was&nbsp;ten years old. My father \u2013 a major general \u2013 had to have a portrait done. So a painter came to our house&nbsp;several times to do it. I was totally captivated. I can still remember my mother shouting, \u201cThe painter\u2019s here!\u201d, and the excitement those words provoked in me. The way she said them\u2026 Everything implied that something&#8230; let\u2019s say inappropriate was going on! [Laughs.] It was so unusual and foreign. I have&nbsp;to admit to never having actually seen him in the flesh and blood. And yet this \u201cghostly\u201d presence gave birth to a real fascination. I had to wait until I was 25 to&nbsp;finally meet an artist, and that was Derek Jarman. I was already an \u201cart kid\u201d by then and I was just about&nbsp;to sign up for art school \u2013 which I still regret not having done. I spent my life at exhibitions, hanging out with&nbsp;art students. But they weren\u2019t artists per se. No, the first one was Derek.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><b>But you don\u2019t stick to just one artistic milieu,&nbsp;and your career has taken you as far as Hollywood. Has the classic opposition between the&nbsp;\u201cartistic\u201d and the \u201ccommercial\u201d become old hat in today\u2019s world?<\/b><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>Lets face it, the world has changed, and we\u2019re obliged to find new ways of financing artistic projects. The situation was very different 20 years ago. In Europe there used to be much more public funding for cinema. The emergence and growing clout of brands in the art world are&nbsp;interesting evolutions in this context. Businesses get interested in art with the same objective of promoting themselves, of course. But what I\u2019ve noticed these days is that their discourse has changed. The brands no longer say to artists, \u201cYou belong to us,\u201d or, \u201cWe\u2019ll find a way to&nbsp;make you work for us,\u201d but more, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you take us with you?\u201d The businesses thus become an important way of financing artistic projects without obliterating the artist\u2019s freedom. Today all forms of creation \u2013 cinema, fashion, whatever \u2013 require serious investment because&nbsp;the expectations have become increasingly greater. So unless you find patrons or hope in vain for increased state subsidies, it strikes me as necessary to work with business. As long as business sponsors respect the artists and their creativity, of course\u2026<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><b>We\u2019re living at a time when economic and digital evolutions are having a huge impact on creativity. Which ones get you excited?<\/b><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>That\u2019s not something I take into account when choosing projects. I\u2019m happy to follow my instinct. If a project interests me I give myself over to it entirely.&nbsp;It\u2019s as simple as that. Occasionally I\u2019ve made choices by integrating these types of \u201cmajor issues\u201d into my thought processes, but it\u2019s always ended so badly that I prefer to stick to my intuition: only doing things because I personally find them worthy of attention.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><b>You you grew up and still live today in Scotland. Would we be right to conclude that ghosts are&nbsp;your natural living companions?<\/b><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>Isn\u2019t that the case for everyone? Personally I live&nbsp;with them very easily. I\u2019ll tell you a typically Scottish story. It\u2019s about my children\u2019s school. There was discussion about building it on a hill that we\u2019d bought. But a local warned us, \u201cYou can\u2019t build a school there, it was where the gallows&nbsp;stood! They used to burn witches there!\u201d It provoked an endless debate. So I ended up saying to them, \u201cShow me a single square foot of Scotland where a witch wasn\u2019t burnt or&nbsp;someone hanged!\u201d What I want to say is there are ghosts everywhere \u2013 anywhere where history is present.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><b>And who are the ghosts here with you today?<\/b><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>To tell you that I\u2019d have to ask them first\u2026&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Let&#8217;s imagine, for a moment, that God has made his comeback and is once again [&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"btn btn-secondary understrap-read-more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/en\/culture\/tilda-swinton-eternal-muse-2\/\">Read More&#8230;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> from Tilda Swinton, eternal muse<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":0,"featured_media":540101,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"inline_featured_image":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-540105","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-culture"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.7 - 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