{"id":539746,"date":"2020-09-08T00:00:00","date_gmt":"1970-01-01T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/numero.com\/culture\/david-cronenberg-tells-us-everything-about-his-first-novel-consumed-2\/"},"modified":"2020-09-08T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"1970-01-01T00:00:00","slug":"david-cronenberg-tells-us-everything-about-his-first-novel-consumed-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/numero.com\/en\/culture\/david-cronenberg-tells-us-everything-about-his-first-novel-consumed-2\/","title":{"rendered":"David Cronenberg tells us everything about his first novel \u201cConsumed\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"\n            <div class=\"wp-block-cb-carousel cb-single-slide\" 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1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button>\n                    <figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">\u201cConsumed\u201d, by David Cronenberg, Penguin, 368 pages.<\/figcaption>\n                    <\/figure>\n                    \n                    <\/div>\n                    <\/div>\n            <p><strong>Num\u00e9ro: When did you start writing <em>Consumed<\/em>?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>David Cronenberg: <\/strong>It started as a screenplay around 2008. There was the idea of this French philosophical couple, a sort of na\u00efve North American journalist couple and the apparent murder of the wife from the French philosophical couple, which the journalists had decided they should investigate. But at a certain point I couldn\u2019t continue \u2013 sometimes something dies, you just don\u2019t know why. In retrospect I may have romanticized it, but I felt I couldn\u2019t have fulfilled the promise of the premise in movie form. I\u2019d pushed up to the limit of that form, while the novel could give me so much more room to move in terms of complexity and intellectualism.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>At what point did you turn to fiction?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>There was a phone call from Nicole Winstanley at Penguin Canada. She said, \u201cI\u2019ve seen your movies, I\u2019ve read your screenplays, and I&nbsp;really think you could and should write a novel. Have you thought of that?\u201d Only for about 50 years, actually! I always thought I\u2019d be a novelist, never a film-maker at all. My father was a journalist and a writer \u2013 I used to fall asleep to the sound of his typewriter. Our house was full of books, so the idea of writing was very normal to me. Being an author seemed a comfortable and obvious choice.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>So how did you end up making films instead?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>I was at Toronto University at the time, the New York underground was taking place \u2013 Kenneth Anger, Andy Warhol\u2026 They were making movies on their own. It was the 60s, you know, you\u2019d grab your camera, do your own thing. You didn\u2019t have to go to film school, didn\u2019t have to be part of Hollywood, you just did it! The technology of film was also intriguing. How do you get the sound to synchronize with the picture? People shoot with their iPhones and don\u2019t event think about it because it\u2019s automatically synchronized, but in film it isn\u2019t. I was curious. I literally looked up \u201ccamera\u201d and \u201clens\u201d in the <em>Encyclop\u00e6dia Britannica<\/em> and tried to figure out how you do all this stuff. I got a subscription to <em>American Cinematographer Magazine<\/em>. It was all very exciting, because suddenly I saw how films were made, whereas I hadn\u2019t had a clue before.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>What\u2019s the difference between writing a screenplay and a novel?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>Turning to literature wasn\u2019t a quick switch, though to me writing has been neither obscure nor intimidating. Screenwriting is very, very different from prose writing. Most of my friends who were aspiring film-makers didn\u2019t know how to write. I felt that I could, because I\u2019d written some short stories that were published in university magazines and for which I even won some prizes. Screenwriting is a very bizarre, hybrid kind of writing, and you\u2019d usually not get high marks for your style. When you get a screenplay that is very fulsome in its prose people say, \u201cOh God! This guy is a frustrated novelist, he should know he\u2019s writing a screenplay.\u201d In a screenplay you don\u2019t describe the hero in great detail because you\u2019d cast Tom Cruise and he doesn\u2019t look like that. The only thing that goes directly from the screenplay to the screen is the dialogue. If you can write good dialogue, and have some sense of narrative structure, you can be a screenwriter. As for the quality of your prose, forget it! Some famous screenwriters can\u2019t write at all \u2013 bad grammar, bad spelling, it\u2019s pathetic! But they\u2019re still good screenwriters. What\u2019s more, there\u2019s the pressure of commercial release versus art release. As time goes by, I realize that to make an unusual or a subversive film is very difficult because it\u2019s extremely hard to find the financing for it, and this consideration comes into play when writing a screenplay.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>The minute your book was out, people asked if you would adapt it to the screen. And you said no. Why?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>When I directed the opera version of my movie <em>The Fly<\/em> in Paris, people said, \u201cObviously, you\u2019ll be wanting screens and stuff.\u201d And I&nbsp;said, \u201cAbsolutely not, I\u2019ve made the movie, I don\u2019t want to make it again. So no video trickery, just the complete theatrical experience. I want to do what somebody would have done a century ago doing an opera, using the music, the choreography and so on.\u201d The same goes with the book: I didn\u2019t write it as a template for a film, it doesn\u2019t need a movie to validate it. Five or six producers approached me about adapting <em>Consumed<\/em>. But I just think of myself as the novelist who is quite happy to sell them the option and the rights. Give me the money and I\u2019ll come to the premi\u00e8re!<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>In fiction you can bring out certain details, like your character who notices that another pronounces \u201cmigraine\u201d the British way.<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>You wouldn\u2019t even get that in a film, or it would last a second. And the American audience wouldn\u2019t understand that that was the English pronunciation. In fiction you can get the richness of detail. The way you can describe reality in depth is the name of the game for me, whether it\u2019s physical, psychological or technological.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>And then there\u2019s the way you\u2019re able to convey the sense of time.<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>Yes, the subjectivity of time in fiction is something that beats cinema: the interiority of time, the way your mind slips back and forth in time as you\u2019re experiencing something. To do this in a movie is heavy or precious, and basically very distracting. It\u2019s something you usually avoid unless you\u2019re doing an experimental film where time is the subject. In narrative films, the geological layers of time are usually all translucent. As a writer, you have a fullness of time that would be impossible in cinema. All of my movies are well under two hours. So my feeling about movies is \u201cGet in and do it and get out,\u201d and that served me well enough. But a book\u2019s different: you allow yourself to be slower, you can spend time building your characters, their psychology, going into the intricacies of their relationships. It\u2019s the voluptuous art of the novel: you can be expansive and your reader accepts it!<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Who are your influences?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>I went through a very long Nabokov period, as well as a very long William Burroughs period. Very different authors, but I admire both nonetheless. One of the problems for me was that I found myself writing pastiches of, let\u2019s say, Nabokov, without being him. I&nbsp;always felt I was doing pseudo-Nabokov or pseudo-Burroughs or pseudo-something. Going into films I found I had no influences. I\u2019m not Brian De Palma who is constantly redoing Hitchcock. With cinema there was no one there oppressing me. Coming back to literature at my age, all these authors feel distant, whatever their influence might have been, and I\u2019ve absorbed so many writers since then, no one is influencing me directly. I\u2019m happy having people say, \u201cHey, strangely this section reminds me of David Foster Wallace,\u201d or whatever. I\u2019m sure there are many voices in my head. But there\u2019s really no profit for the reader to try to guess the influences.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Why Paris, why this French intellectual power couple?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>Obviously Sartre and De Beauvoir are the basic model, transported into the future. And then Aristide Arosteguy [the male philosopher] is kind of a mixture of Sartre and Dominique Strauss-Kahn, because Sartre, even if he had affairs, wasn\u2019t very sexy or sexual either. So I\u2019d cast a voluptuary like Strauss-Kahn if I made it into a film. Why French? You\u2019d never get that in America \u2013 a \u201cpublic intellectual,\u201d a philosopher who writes books, who\u2019s involved in politics and is a celebrity \u2013 it\u2019s quite unique to France. Shifting the scene to Paris and Europe made it possible to compare both European and American viewpoints. It\u2019s my version of Henry James. James did the na\u00efve, innocent Americans who come to Europe where they are seduced by the cynical, sophisticated Europeans. Though it doesn\u2019t really hold anymore, and I hadn\u2019t thought of it when I&nbsp;was setting up the characters, it is a nice structure.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>There\u2019s also a rogue surgeon experimenting on the human body. Merging the technological and the organic is a recurrent motif in your work\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>It\u2019s part of public discourse: every newspaper has a health or science section now. In <em>The New York Times<\/em> you always get an article by a doctor on cellular biology and ageing and the like. \u201cMerge\u201d is absolutely the right word, because seeing science through the lens of 1950s science fiction \u2013 where technology came from outer space and was destructive and menacing \u2013 is wrong. It comes from inside nature as well. I was reading an article on how trees are evolving in order to control the insects that try to kill them, and how they marshal all these defences in a very animalistic way. It\u2019s quite shocking how they find ways of defeating the caterpillars that try to devour them. We humans are reacting like those trees, fighting against ageing and diseases that invade us, not just with our bodies but with technology too. I don\u2019t separate the technological from the organic.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Will you write another book?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>I\u2019m working on a novel. 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