{"id":508133,"date":"2020-08-04T00:00:00","date_gmt":"1970-01-01T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/numero.com\/art\/art-art\/mega-gallery-owner-larry-gagosian-as-seen-by-british-painter-jenny-saville-2\/"},"modified":"2020-08-04T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"1970-01-01T00:00:00","slug":"mega-gallery-owner-larry-gagosian-as-seen-by-british-painter-jenny-saville-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/numero.com\/en\/art\/art-art\/mega-gallery-owner-larry-gagosian-as-seen-by-british-painter-jenny-saville-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Mega-gallery owner Larry Gagosian as seen by British painter Jenny Saville"},"content":{"rendered":"\n                    <figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a21481de6428&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a21481de6428\" class=\"wp-block-image size-medium-large wp-lightbox-container\">\n                    <img decoding=\"async\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/jenny-saville-larry-gagosian-galerie-young-british-artists-willem-de-kooning-numero-magazine-2-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1568\" \/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button>\n                    <figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Jenny Saville, &#8220;Red Stare Collage&#8221; (2007-2009). Glueing on cardboard, 252 x 187,3 cm. <\/figcaption>\n                    <\/figure>\n                    \n                    <p><strong>Num\u00e9ro art: How did you first meet Larry Gagosian?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Jenny Saville:<\/strong>&nbsp;I first met Larry in London in September 1997 at the opening of the&nbsp;Sensation&nbsp;exhibition at the Royal Academy. Afterwards we went to the Groucho Club and Larry came over to me, said he liked my paintings and asked if I\u2019d like to show at his gallery in New York. I said yes, and we started working together.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>What was your first collaboration with him?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>My first ever solo exhibition was with Larry in his Wooster Street Gallery in New York. Ealan Wingate ran the downtown gallery and it was a beautiful space to show paintings. I put my life into that first show of paintings and was a zombie by the time it opened in New York, since I\u2019d spent two years in a studio barely going outside. I really wanted to show in New York \u2013 New York was where you cut your cloth as an international painter, and I had a romantic attachment to the city. I\u2019d grown up looking at De Kooning, Rothko, Pollock and Basquiat, and here was this white-haired, tanned Californian guy offering me a New York show at the same gallery at which Richard Serra, Cy Twombly and Warhol were showing. I was all in!<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>What sort of thing did you show at this first exhibition?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>Among the works I made for \u201cTerritories\u201d was a large painting called&nbsp;<em>Fulcrum<\/em>&nbsp;that took around two years to paint. I used to nickname it \u201cthe bitch\u201d because it was so hard to get it to work with the level of realism I wanted \u2013 the whole thing was so full of despair. It\u2019s a painting of a pile of bodies with different colours of flesh all knitted together. A landscape of flesh was what I wanted.<\/p>\r\n\n                    <figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a21481de68f2&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a21481de68f2\" class=\"wp-block-image size-medium-large wp-lightbox-container\">\n                    <img decoding=\"async\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/jenny-saville-larry-gagosian-galerie-young-british-artists-willem-de-kooning-numero-magazine-3.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1568\" \/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button>\n                    <figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Jenny Saville, &#8220;Red Fates&#8221; (2018). Oil on canvas, 240 x 250 cm.<\/figcaption>\n                    <\/figure>\n                    \n                    <p><strong>What\u2019s your best memory of Larry?<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>When I met Larry he only had his LA gallery, and Wooster Street and 980 Madison in New York\u2019s Upper East Side. I was lucky enough to be part of the story of the growth of Gagosian. Larry says, \u201cThe sun never sets on my gallery.\u201d&nbsp;But the best moments were probably the more intimate dinners with Cy Twombly, Nicola Del Roscio and Larry himself. I remember with fondness helping to hang Cy\u2019s paint- ings for&nbsp;The Battle of Lepanto&nbsp;cycle for the first time in New York with Larry. I was in the gallery to see Cy\u2019s work before the exhibition opened and was completely blown away with the magnitude of ambition and beauty in Cy\u2019s paintings. Cy wasn\u2019t there for the hang, so I helped Larry, Andy Avini and the technicians get the height of the group right. That was special, we all kept looking at each other knowing that this group of paintings was history in the making in New York: it\u2019s a day that had a big effect on me as an artist.&nbsp;Larry knows the connection I feel with De Kooning\u2019s work, so one Easter when I was at his house in The Hamptons, he organized for me to spend the day in De Kooning\u2019s studio when his daughter Lisa De Kooning was still living there with her kids. De Kooning had died a few years before and Lisa just gave me the keys to the studio, and I spent the day there. I was able to understand his paint techniques, the way he organized his work, his brushes and long palettes. It was profound and insightful.&nbsp;One of my most meaningful recollections with Larry was when I was heavily pregnant with my daughter. I was at the late stage in pregnancy when you rock from side to side when walking, and I was painting with brushes tied onto broom handles. At that time everyone I met was asking me about babies and never about how my paintings were going. I was getting questioned on whether I could still be creative as a mother, how my life had now changed, and could I actually paint with a baby, or have a serious career with two babies, etc.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p class=\"rtecenter\"><em><strong><span class=\"fs-add-2\">\u201cLarry shares a type of independence that artists have, a recognition that being solo in life is your destiny for work.\u201d<\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>I met Larry in one of the offices at the gallery and was so heavily pregnant that I literally had to throw the photographs of my paintings over my stomach at him. I kept saying, \u201c<em>I\u2019ve made this one, this is a diptych, and this one with a lot of red,<\/em>\u201d and so on.&nbsp;Larry very conscientiously looked at the photographs, seemed super excited about how the work was developing, and never once asked me about babies or my pregnancy.&nbsp;We just talked about the art and when I wanted to show. It was a great moment and I knew then that he was definitely the right dealer for me!<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>You\u2019ve known Larry Gagosian for over two decades now. If you had to explain to a stranger what kind of man he is, what would you say?<\/strong><br \/>\r\nIf there was one artist for Larry it would have to be Picasso: dynamic images, ground-breaking approaches, sexual, direct, highly prolific, multifaceted and reliably expensive! Larry shares a type of independence that artists have, a recognition that being solo in life is your destiny for work. And of course being like that comes with a certain melancholy, as well as with an energy and a drive.<\/p>\r\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Num\u00e9ro art: How did you first meet Larry Gagosian? 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