{"id":496754,"date":"2022-12-13T00:00:00","date_gmt":"1970-01-01T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/numero.com\/art\/numero-art\/meeting-with-barbara-chase-riboud-great-african-american-artist-and-poet-celebrated-at-serpentine\/"},"modified":"2022-12-13T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"1970-01-01T00:00:00","slug":"meeting-with-barbara-chase-riboud-great-african-american-artist-and-poet-celebrated-at-serpentine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/numero.com\/en\/art\/numero-art\/meeting-with-barbara-chase-riboud-great-african-american-artist-and-poet-celebrated-at-serpentine\/","title":{"rendered":"Meeting with Barbara Chase-Riboud, great African-American artist and poet celebrated at Serpentine"},"content":{"rendered":"\n                    <figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a3bc14a89173&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a3bc14a89173\" class=\"wp-block-image size-medium-large wp-lightbox-container\">\n                    <img decoding=\"async\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/barbara-chase-riboud-artiste-poeCC81tesse-africaine-ameCC81ricaine-Serpentine-gallery-parisplus-art-basel-numero-magazine-1-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1568\" \/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button>\n                    <figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Installation view of Barbara Chase-Riboud\u2019s exhibition \u2018Infinite Folds\u2019 at Serpentine North, London, 2022. Photograph by Jo Underhill. Courtesy of the artist and Serpentine.<\/figcaption>\n                    <\/figure>\n                    \n                    <h3 class=\"text-align-center\"><strong>In partnership with&nbsp;Paris+ by&nbsp;Art Basel.<\/strong><\/h3>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>With retrospectives at the Serpentine, London and the Pulitzer Art Foundation, St. Louis, the octogenarian Paris-based American artist is having a moment. Here she reflects on travel, foreignness, and the &#8220;ovary problem&#8221;.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&#8220;I think the dual exhibits stretching across the Atlantic say a lot about my life as an artist, as I described it in letters from Europe to my mother in Philadelphia. She saved every letter I ever wrote, some 600, that covered 1957 to 1991. I found them only after her death. And although I published them almost 15 years later, it still felt as if I had written them the day before. Those letters really are a new genre of writing \u2013 neither memoir, diary, travelogue, nor confession. They are living notations of the moment. They could be artist\u2019s notes; or sketches in writing, or automatic writing with all kinds of unconscious and subversive meanings. Yet I was not being subversive; I was just writing to my mom \u2013 but I can date my sculptures and poems by these letters.&#8221;<\/p>\r\n\n                    <figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a3bc14a89522&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a3bc14a89522\" class=\"wp-block-image size-medium-large wp-lightbox-container\">\n                    <img decoding=\"async\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/barbara-chase-riboud-artiste-poeCC81tesse-africaine-ameCC81ricaine-Serpentine-gallery-parisplus-art-basel-numero-magazine-2-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1568\" \/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button>\n                    <figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Installation view of Barbara Chase-Riboud\u2019s exhibition \u2018Infinite Folds\u2019 at Serpentine North, London, 2022. Photographs by Jo Underhill. Courtesy of the artist and Serpentine.<\/figcaption>\n                    <\/figure>\n                    \n                    <p>&#8220;For many years, I kept my writing and sculpture separate. I was fond of saying: \u201cI write what I can\u2019t sculpt and sculpt what I can\u2019t write.\u201d I don\u2019t know if that isn\u2019t still true. I read anything and everything when I was a child, under the cover, with a flashlight. I loved the Russian writers, the long, historical English novels. Now that I don\u2019t need a flashlight, I have Richard Powell, Anna Akhmatova, and Alexander Pushkin at my bedside, but I don\u2019t read in bed. I can look at a catalog in bed but I prefer reading literature sitting down at a desk.&#8221;<\/p>\r\n\n                    <figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a3bc14a8986e&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a3bc14a8986e\" class=\"wp-block-image size-medium-large wp-lightbox-container\">\n                    <img decoding=\"async\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/barbara-chase-riboud-artiste-poeCC81tesse-africaine-ameCC81ricaine-Serpentine-gallery-parisplus-art-basel-numero-magazine-4-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1568\" \/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button>\n                    <figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Barbara Chase-Riboud at her atelier on Rue Dutot, Paris, 1973. Photograph by Marc Riboud, courtesy of the artist. <\/figcaption>\n                    <\/figure>\n                    \n                    <p>&#8220;I remember vividly my first encounter with art \u2013 it was with the Rittenhouse Square bronze goat in Philadelphia. The square was not far from our house. As a child, I used to visit it almost every day to play with the other children. That sculpture gave me my first taste of bronze. I remember him or her as being very big, but in fact, the statue was small \u2013 child-size \u2013 a little billy goat. Although I studied art at Tyler [School of Art and Architecture in Philadelphia], my first true art experiences were in Rome, during my time at the American Academy: the Forum, the Colosseum, the Vatican \u2013 then during an off-the-cuff trip to Egypt that turned into a one-month expedition up the Nile to Luxor, Karnak, and Khartoum. Finally, when I married [photographer] Marc Riboud, we found a country home in the Loire Valley \u2013 France\u2019s cha\u0302teaux region near Blois, Amboise, Chenonceau \u2013 it was like a living museum. I believe in travel to do anything creative, not only for the eye but for the soul&#8230;and for company.&#8221;<\/p>\r\n\n                    <figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a3bc14a89b99&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a3bc14a89b99\" class=\"wp-block-image size-medium-large wp-lightbox-container\">\n                    <img decoding=\"async\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/barbara-chase-riboud-artiste-poeCC81tesse-africaine-ameCC81ricaine-Serpentine-gallery-parisplus-art-basel-numero-magazine-5-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1568\" \/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button>\n                    <figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Installation view of Barbara Chase-Riboud\u2019s exhibition \u2018Infinite Folds\u2019 at Serpentine North, London, 2022. Photographs by Jo Underhill. Courtesy of the artist and Serpentine.<\/figcaption>\n                    <\/figure>\n                    \n                    <p>&#8220;Artists are aliens anyway, aren\u2019t they? Being foreign means that your eye, ear, and hand are more attuned to nuance and invention \u2013 it means that you are more adventurous, more independent, braver maybe, or should I say, foolhardy? I think that is what Man Ray meant when he said, \u201cj\u2019aime e\u0302tre e\u0301tranger\u201d \u2013 it\u2019s about being an outsider observing, not one of the crowd.&#8221;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&#8220;Who was it who said, \u201cA great female artist is one whose ovaries no longer function\u201d? If it wasn\u2019t Louise Nevelson, then it was me! The ovary problem, the guilt of putting creativity, in the great sense of the word, before maternity&#8230;The love of your work is equal to the love of your creatures. The mental load of motherhood should be integrated into the psychic landscape of an artist, except that the very idea of motherhood requires selflessness. It is the antithesis of self- serving art. Live with it, is all I can say. All the rhetoric in the world will not solve the challenge of being an artist and mother. I certainly don\u2019t have the solution.&#8221;<\/p>\r\n\n                    <figure data-wp-context=\"{&quot;imageId&quot;:&quot;6a3bc14a89eb7&quot;}\" data-wp-interactive=\"core\/image\" data-wp-key=\"6a3bc14a89eb7\" class=\"wp-block-image size-medium-large wp-lightbox-container\">\n                    <img decoding=\"async\" data-wp-class--hide=\"state.isContentHidden\" data-wp-class--show=\"state.isContentVisible\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--pointerdown=\"actions.preloadImage\" data-wp-on--pointerenter=\"actions.preloadImageWithDelay\" data-wp-on--pointerleave=\"actions.cancelPreload\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" src=\"https:\/\/numero.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/barbara-chase-riboud-artiste-poeCC81tesse-africaine-ameCC81ricaine-Serpentine-gallery-parisplus-art-basel-numero-magazine-6-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1568\" \/><button\n\t\t\tclass=\"lightbox-trigger\"\n\t\t\ttype=\"button\"\n\t\t\taria-haspopup=\"dialog\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-bind--aria-label=\"state.thisImage.triggerButtonAriaLabel\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-init=\"callbacks.initTriggerButton\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--right=\"state.thisImage.buttonRight\"\n\t\t\tdata-wp-style--top=\"state.thisImage.buttonTop\"\n\t\t>\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"12\" height=\"12\" fill=\"none\" viewBox=\"0 0 12 12\">\n\t\t\t\t<path fill=\"#fff\" d=\"M2 0a2 2 0 0 0-2 2v2h1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 1 .5-.5h2V0H2Zm2 10.5H2a.5.5 0 0 1-.5-.5V8H0v2a2 2 0 0 0 2 2h2v-1.5ZM8 12v-1.5h2a.5.5 0 0 0 .5-.5V8H12v2a2 2 0 0 1-2 2H8Zm2-12a2 2 0 0 1 2 2v2h-1.5V2a.5.5 0 0 0-.5-.5H8V0h2Z\" \/>\n\t\t\t<\/svg>\n\t\t<\/button>\n                    <figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Installation view of Barbara Chase-Riboud\u2019s exhibition \u2018Infinite Folds\u2019 at Serpentine North, London, 2022. Photographs by Jo Underhill. Courtesy of the artist and Serpentine.<\/figcaption>\n                    <\/figure>\n                    \n                    <p>Life is the best art and \u201cart is the only proof that anything has happened in the past,\u201d Claude Le\u0301vi-Strauss stated. This is one of the most provocative \u2013 and one of the truest \u2013 comments on the role of art I\u2019ve ever read or heard. Everything else is hearsay.\u2019<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>Barbara Chase-Riboud&#8217;s book <\/strong><em><strong>I Always Knew: A Memoir <\/strong><\/em><strong>was published by Princeton University Press in October 2022.<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><b>Lillian Davies is a writer based in&nbsp;Paris.&nbsp;<\/b><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>\u2018Barbara Chase-Riboud: Infinite Folds\u2019 Serpentine, London<br \/>\r\nTo January 29, 2023<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p><strong>\u2018Barbara Chase-Riboud: Monumentale \u2013 The Bronzes\u2019 Pulitzer Art Foundation, St. Louis<br \/>\r\nTo February 5, 2023<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>This article is part of a yearly partnership with Paris + by Art Basel and <u><a href=\"https:\/\/parisplus.artbasel.com\/stories\/how-i-became-an-artist-barbara-chase-riboud?lang=en\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">is also published on the platform of Paris + by Art 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